Sherlock

Wednesday, 28 July 2010 14:33
usuallyhats: The cast of Critical Role sitting round a table playing Dungeons and Dragons (rani investigatin')
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Have seen Sherlock. After reading many words about it on the internets and thinking about them and it, am still trying to decide whether I liked it or not; I did enjoy it, but there were things I didn't like, and things I haven't quite worked out what I think about yet.


  • If they never use the word "text" again it will be too soon. I agree that Holmes would've been ALL OVER texting (he can be as vague and peremptory as he likes and blame it on the format!) but it did get on my nerves rather a lot. "I shall TEXT someone." "Look, I have got a TEXT." "We are TEXTING the murderer." etc etc etc

  • Modern AU, and the leads are still both white men? *sigh*

  • Mr. Cumberbatch is indeed an excellent Holmes, though, and lots of fun to watch. I cannot judge Martin Freeman, though, as I have an irrational dislike of him (on screen! I'm sure he's perfectly nice in real life) and it is getting in the way.

  • I wish they would cut it out with the "everyone assumes they're a couple, isn't that hilarious!" bits. I've been trying to articulate why I disliked this so much; apologies for going on a bit. I think that for the "everyone thinks X and Y are a couple!" joke to work, it relies on either a) the reactions of X and Y to that assumption being inherently funny (usually because it's so over the top) or b) the audience to know that X and Y being a couple is a ridiculous idea. (Or both, of course.) And I feel like if X and Y are a man and a woman, the audience knowing that the idea of them being a couple is ridiculous relies on knowledge of the characters and their relationship to each other - i.e., we know that they are related, or seeing other people, or secretly hate each other, or are just plain incompatible. Whereas if X and Y are both men (or both women, though this is rarer simply because there are fewer female characters on TV/in films, which is another rant for another day), more often it feels like this is presented as a ridiculous idea because they're not gay and the idea that they might be is funny in itself. And this is... tiresome, to say the least. I also feel like the "everyone assumes their gay!" thing is used so that the producers can go "look how modern and progressive we are, acknowledging the existence of gay people" without actually having to, y'know, include gay characters. (This is something that I've been reaching Critical Annoyance Mass on recently - Sherlock's by no means the worst offender but it is, unfortunately, the most recent and therefore the one bearing the brunt of my rage.) Of course this may all be moot: I've seen a few theories around that since the "someone thinks X and Y are a couple" is sometimes used to foreshadow X and Y getting together, that might be the case here too. Which would be awesome. (I would also be delighted with an explicitly asexual Holmes, which I think they were hinting at but hadn't quite got to).

  • Not terribly impressed with Watson's limp being all in his mind, though I did enjoy the "where were you actually shot?" bit.

  • I liked all the ladies and wished they had bigger parts, especially Molly and Anthea.

  • Lots of great lines, too, but I expect that from Moffat. "So I'm basically filling in for your skull?", "I'm in shock; look, I've got a blanket!" Also the drugs bust scene was awesome.

Date: 28 Jul 2010 14:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hoshinekoyasha.livejournal.com
Modern AU, and the leads are still both white men? *sigh*
A generder-swaped sherlock holms would be awesome

Date: 28 Jul 2010 15:17 (UTC)
ext_3965: (BBC Sherlock & Watson)
From: [identity profile] persiflage-1.livejournal.com
Ooh yes!!

*goes to an imaginary casting place*

Date: 28 Jul 2010 15:31 (UTC)
ext_3965: (Alesha Red Hawt)
From: [identity profile] persiflage-1.livejournal.com
My first choice would be Freema Agyeman - 'cos if you're going to screw with the casting and go AU, why not go for non-white and non-male all in one fell swoop?

Or Anna Torv (lead in Fringe), or Joanne Kelly (lead in Warehouse 13), or Amanda Tapping (whom I've only seen in Sanctuary)...

Date: 28 Jul 2010 15:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hoshinekoyasha.livejournal.com
Watch season 10 of stargate. Just do it.

Adn who would you cast for wastoson...?

Date: 28 Jul 2010 17:43 (UTC)
ext_3965: (Clyde: Spidey senses are tingling)
From: [identity profile] persiflage-1.livejournal.com
What, even though I've not seen the other 9 seasons?

Hmm, I think I'd cast Daniel Anthony (aka Clyde Langer in SJA). After all, if I'm going so wildly AU, I might as well go the whole hog and cast an actor of colour to be a Watson to a Holmes of colour!

Date: 28 Jul 2010 17:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hoshinekoyasha.livejournal.com
YES> Just ump at at season 10, its the best one IMO

Daniel is a boy, were gender-swapping the cast, remember?

Date: 28 Jul 2010 18:01 (UTC)
ext_3965: (Rani Intrepid Girl Reporter)
From: [identity profile] persiflage-1.livejournal.com
LOL Okay...

Um, you said a "gender swapped Sherlock Holmes" - I didn't realise you wanted to GS both Holmes and Watson...

So, in that case, I'll go with [livejournal.com profile] shinyjenni's suggestion of Anjli Mohindra (Rani of SJA) - as I think she's still a little too young to play Holmes.

Date: 28 Jul 2010 18:10 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hoshinekoyasha.livejournal.com
If you couldnt copy Shinyjenni then who?

Date: 28 Jul 2010 18:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hoshinekoyasha.livejournal.com
If you couldnt pick someone from doctor who either, who would you pick for freema to have UST with girl!watson?

Date: 28 Jul 2010 18:20 (UTC)
ext_3965: (Agent Dunham Fedora)
From: [identity profile] persiflage-1.livejournal.com
LOL at your strikeout...

Ho-hum - it needs to be someone of a similar age to Freema, really - and I'm struggling to think of any female actors whom I know who're in the right age range...

Oh! It turns out Anna Torv *is* Freema's age - and Anna does smokin' hawt girl!UST very well - as I know from watching the first season of Mistresses...

Date: 28 Jul 2010 18:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hoshinekoyasha.livejournal.com
I had to google who that was

Image

watson should dress like that too :D

Date: 28 Jul 2010 18:42 (UTC)
ext_3965: (Alesha Red Hawt)
From: [identity profile] persiflage-1.livejournal.com
Hell to the yes! She is a *seriously* smokin' hawt lesbian in Mistresses, and I could see Anna and Freema having seriously smokin' hawt UST together.

Guh, my brain's melting at the mere thought...

Date: 28 Jul 2010 18:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hoshinekoyasha.livejournal.com
*off to make dinner and watch the mistresses show*

*_*

Date: 28 Jul 2010 19:05 (UTC)
ext_3965: (I AM an Evil Oppressor)
From: [identity profile] persiflage-1.livejournal.com
*cackles* Score one for the Evil Oppressor!

Date: 28 Jul 2010 19:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hoshinekoyasha.livejournal.com
...I dont feel very oppressed...or like any evil has been done to me.

WHICH EP DO I START AT?

Date: 28 Jul 2010 19:09 (UTC)
ext_3965: (Agent Dunham Fedora)
From: [identity profile] persiflage-1.livejournal.com
And yet you're watching it almost as soon as I mentioned it... *smirks*

Episode 2 is when she enters the series...

Date: 28 Jul 2010 19:10 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hoshinekoyasha.livejournal.com
Speading the lesyay is not evil! IT IS THE OPPOSITE OF EVIL!

I'm on it
Edited Date: 28 Jul 2010 19:10 (UTC)

Date: 28 Jul 2010 19:16 (UTC)
ext_3965: (Doctor of Pwnage)
From: [identity profile] persiflage-1.livejournal.com
So long as you don't mind a rabid Martha fan on your Flist?

Date: 28 Jul 2010 19:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hoshinekoyasha.livejournal.com
As long as you dont mind a rabid Charley Pollard fan on yours?

Date: 28 Jul 2010 19:20 (UTC)
ext_3965: (Eight Console)
From: [identity profile] persiflage-1.livejournal.com
Oh! I'm very fond of Ms Pollard, I promise!

Date: 28 Jul 2010 19:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hoshinekoyasha.livejournal.com
I like you even more now.

Date: 28 Jul 2010 19:23 (UTC)
ext_3965: (Big Finish Love!)
From: [identity profile] persiflage-1.livejournal.com
*grins* Thanks...

Date: 28 Jul 2010 17:45 (UTC)
ext_3965: (Rani Intrepid Girl Reporter)
From: [identity profile] persiflage-1.livejournal.com
Anjli is definitely a bit too young, yet, for Holmes... She'd made a fun Watson to Freema's Holmes, though - although I opted for Daniel Anthony instead... :D

Date: 28 Jul 2010 18:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hoshinekoyasha.livejournal.com
If you had to pick someone the right age who would you pick? :P

Date: 28 Jul 2010 20:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hoshinekoyasha.livejournal.com
that would be awsome!

Date: 28 Jul 2010 17:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hoshinekoyasha.livejournal.com
a gender-swapped version of sherlock holms?

Date: 28 Jul 2010 20:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hoshinekoyasha.livejournal.com
the post is tl;dr BUT THAT IS AWESOME

Date: 28 Jul 2010 15:19 (UTC)
ext_3965: (Detecting)
From: [identity profile] persiflage-1.livejournal.com
While I don't particularly disagree with any of your rants (and I'm curious as to why you dislike poor Martin so much!), I did enjoy it - it was 90 minutes of what my friend Juliet calls popcorn telly (ie switch off the brain and pass the popcorn) - which was fine as I'm not a huge Holmes fan (largely because it's too misogynistic, and while I can usually tell myself "It's a sign of the times", for some reason, with Holmes, that doesn't work for me (not yet figured out why!).

Date: 28 Jul 2010 17:47 (UTC)
ext_3965: (BBC Sherlock & Watson)
From: [identity profile] persiflage-1.livejournal.com
I found him harmless in Love Actually - that's the only other thing I've seen him in (and he's actually quite forgettable in it).

Yeah, on that level I really liked it - it was very entertaining!

Yes!

It's weird, isn't it? Sometimes "it was the times" works, but other times... not so much.

Yeah - I don't know why it doesn't work with Holmes, because it works with everything else of that era. o_O

Date: 28 Jul 2010 16:53 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_catharine_/
Are you friends with [livejournal.com profile] gayalondiel on here? You both post about the same things at the same times!

SPOILERS!

Date: 29 Jul 2010 04:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com
Awww, I like Martin Freeman! He's now too old to play Vila but he was top of my list once. He has that long-suffering put-upon look about him. I'm not sure if he's right for Watson, but he's a change from the usual large stolid types.

I enjoyed it, but I was surprised that Mycroft was out and about. Surely he's much more sedentary. I'm certainly giving it another go.

Re: SPOILERS!

Date: 29 Jul 2010 22:31 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vilakins.livejournal.com
I've mostly seen him in Vila-like parts too--bottom of the packing order--but you may have seen him in more.

I suppose they had to have him away from his comfort zone if they wanted us to thin k he was Moriarty. Of course it made more sense that it was Mycroft who could use the CCTV cameras; it did puzzle me at the time but I didn't twig.

Normally I don't like devices that throw me out, like shaky camera work and lens flare, but I rather liked the text on screen and the street chase map. Certainly the whole things was mobile-based; maybe the next story will choose something else to focus on. That stuff has to be done well to work with me, like Francis Urquhart in House of Cards talking to the viewer which I normally don't like; I loved his snide asides.

Date: 30 Jul 2010 23:03 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-smut-fairy.livejournal.com
Just watched it. All the way through watching the finale, though, I kept thinking that it lacked tension. What with knowing that Holmes would be OK whichever pill he took, after spending years building up an immunity to iocane powder.

Date: 30 Jul 2010 23:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-smut-fairy.livejournal.com
"Modern AU, and the leads are still both white men? *sigh*"

To address the "white" and the "men" respectively, he leads are someone whose brother is way high up in the government and a front-line soldier in a current war. Well, duh.

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